gdtmsailor
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions on best decoder & sound for the Bachmann 4-4-0 Spectrum (Eureka & Palisade)?
Bachmann Eureka & Palisade 4-4-0 DCC + Sound Conversion
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Greg Elmassian
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"best" needs some definition:
best irregardless of price?
best - easiest
best - lowest price irrespective of sound quality
best - best sound quality
you stated decoder, so is this DCC?
Greg
best irregardless of price?
best - easiest
best - lowest price irrespective of sound quality
best - best sound quality
you stated decoder, so is this DCC?
Greg
gdtmsailor
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Hi Greg, Good questions - to me best would be best sound quality and some level of ease to install, and currently it does not have a DCC decoder, but I have a DCC layout so I would like to make it digital as well. I would say price is not a major factor, I'd rather have a quality end result instead of something that sounds eh and doesn't really work - but if it's going to be over ~$500-600 to outfit it then not sure the value is there. With my RDC-3 I have a digitrax decoder and Phoenix sound and I think that works well from a quality perspective, price perspective, and overall ease of install.
Greg Elmassian
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The quality DCC motor and sound decoders are all around or under $200. This will be less than your digitrax and Phoenix combination.
In the USA I recommend Zimo, less hassles programming, good support and a wide range of sound files, plus a rugged quality decoder that handles G scale dcc voltages. I would check with Train-Li for decoders.
As a backup I would recommend ESU.
I would not recommend Massoth in the USA, poor support and known goofy programming problems.
The Zimo have support for "smoke unit direct drive", where an inexpensive but great puffing smoke solution exists, that keeps you from paying $200 for a smoke unit, you can use an old Aristo or USA Trains unit, often available used for $25.
Greg
In the USA I recommend Zimo, less hassles programming, good support and a wide range of sound files, plus a rugged quality decoder that handles G scale dcc voltages. I would check with Train-Li for decoders.
As a backup I would recommend ESU.
I would not recommend Massoth in the USA, poor support and known goofy programming problems.
The Zimo have support for "smoke unit direct drive", where an inexpensive but great puffing smoke solution exists, that keeps you from paying $200 for a smoke unit, you can use an old Aristo or USA Trains unit, often available used for $25.
Greg
gdtmsailor
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AWesome - so you would suggest changing the bachmann smoke unit - i still haven't gotten it to work in DC
Greg Elmassian
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This all depends on the desired finished product and the time and effort you are willing to spend.
The bachmann unit is lousy, and it is a simple heater that will overheat when it runs out, and it does not have much smoke volume, what you would expect from a model of this category.
You can add very realistic puffing smoke if you have one of the decoders I mentioned, and find a smoke unit as I described, find a battery power installer and he will have a pile of smoke units he has removed.
Greg
The bachmann unit is lousy, and it is a simple heater that will overheat when it runs out, and it does not have much smoke volume, what you would expect from a model of this category.
You can add very realistic puffing smoke if you have one of the decoders I mentioned, and find a smoke unit as I described, find a battery power installer and he will have a pile of smoke units he has removed.
Greg
Zimo decoders have a lot of features and I even use the HO MX645 or MX645P22 in LGB single motor engines. Zimo decoders have a 30 volt rating and can withstand surges for higher voltages.
Features for even the MX645 with remote control are:
Smoke heater and fan controls, 3 settings for each
Standard Kadee with your own servo/wire/chain for remote uncoupling and even a 'waltz).
3 watt audio and remote volume control
Can drive 2 servos
Most Large scale decoders are 6 amp, 10 watt audio into 4 ohm speakers, 4 servos, up to 15 driver functions but 28 total functions.
In the USA the 1.2 amp wired MX645 is Under $100, P22 version is $100 and has 1.8 amp.
Features for even the MX645 with remote control are:
Smoke heater and fan controls, 3 settings for each
Standard Kadee with your own servo/wire/chain for remote uncoupling and even a 'waltz).
3 watt audio and remote volume control
Can drive 2 servos
Most Large scale decoders are 6 amp, 10 watt audio into 4 ohm speakers, 4 servos, up to 15 driver functions but 28 total functions.
In the USA the 1.2 amp wired MX645 is Under $100, P22 version is $100 and has 1.8 amp.
Greg Elmassian
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Dan, what current will the smoke output produce on the 645's?
Greg
Greg
