Winnans Camelback 4-6-0 photos please

[robsmorgan]

Begging letter to anyone who has been to the B & O RR Roundhouse recently and snapped anything useful ?

I couldn't waste all these wet and windy pre-winter days here in Wales so have been getting on with a scratch/bodge jobbie on a s/h Bachmann 4-6-0.... trouble is, I haven't been able to get pictures/details of the cab interior, any help would be gratefully received........ even an unused return air ticket would be useful

Regards
Rob
p.s. just noticed I added an extra 'n' to Mr Winan's name.... oooops!


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[trammayo]

Well you said you were going to do it Rob - a very interesting project (and a radically different loco type). Await further developments with interest!

 

[Woderwick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=272MSlvUIpI

 

[robsmorgan]

(edited after checking mylargescale.com responses)
Seems I have confused the Hayes 10 wheeler (4-6-0) with the Winan 8 wheeler several useful pics added to the bottom of this post

Thanks Mick - the problem is finding cab interior images to work from, and thanks Wod the Mod, I have already captured loads of stills from this excellent footage but can't quite see enough of the cab interior (see below) The email I sent to the B&O roundhouse museum last week hasn't been answered to date

Also found these drawings published together which suggests a dome configeration....

Cheers
Rob

 

[Tony]

Nearest i can find

Tony

 

[KeithT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=272MSlvUIpI

There don't appear to be flanges on either the front or middle drivers. (2m 20s onwards) I have never seen that before.
What is the purpose of the rear con rod and cylinder?

 

[robsmorgan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=272MSlvUIpI

There don't appear to be flanges on either the front or middle drivers. (2m 20s onwards) I have never seen that before.
What is the purpose of the rear con rod and cylinder?

I underdstand these locos were developed to utilse coal rather than cords & cords of timber - moving the cab out of the way may have enabled some form of automated fuel feed system :thinking: and that's what the additional con rod drove.... but I could be wrong
The lack of flanges probably enabled use on tighter radius curves in line with the 'keep it cheap' track laying/route policies in the USA .... again I could be wrong :Looser:

Regards & thanks
Rob

 

[peterbunce]

Hi Kieth,

Its a 'crosshead pump' what was used to feed water into the boiler before injectors; the 'down side' was the loco needed to be moving for it to work.

Normally they were fitted behind or after the crosshead, here is one, on my DSP&PRR #1

B&O 217 seems to have had 2 one each side.

I thought that one of the reasons was to allow a wide firebox, that was needed to burn both antracite coal, and the coal slack as well, later versions had two firehole doors as well, though the early ones do not seem to have enough space for them.

The B&O RR was always a coal road, due to its location. Wood fuel was more confined to the West where there were thousands of trees. The B&ORR area in the USA would have had a good deal of theirs used up for general fuel due to being 'settled' much earlier.

 

[KeithT]

Hi Kieth,

Its a 'crosshead pump' what was used to feed water into the boiler before injectors; the 'down side' was the loco needed to be moving for it to work.

Normally the were fitted behind or after the crosshead, here is one, on my DSP&PRR #1

Thanks i hadn't thought of that.
I have heard apochryphal tales of train crews in the early days running their loco up to a set of buffers, greasing the rails, opening the regulator and retiring to the pub whilst the boiler filled!

 

[Woderwick]

It is my understanding that camelbacks came about as a way of increasing the grate area required to get the most from burning the abundance of poor quality coal available at the time. The Erie had some 8 axle monsters for this purpose.

 

[KeithT]

It is my understanding that camelbacks came about as a way of increasing the grate area required to get the most from burning the abundance of poor quality coal available at the time. The Erie had some 8 axle monsters for this purpose.

They used the dross from anthracite.

 

[robsmorgan]

[style="color: #0000ff;"][font="georgia,palatino"]Just to let anyone interested know, the Curator of the B&O RR museum has responded with a couple of very useful pictures taken inside the 'Camel' cab - sorry for doubting you Dave! :wave:[/font]

also an update of my model... including raising the cylinders to approx 15 deg from horizontal - the temporary 'boiler' will now be replaced by an accurate representaion ( when I've turned it ) :clown:

Regards
Rob

 

[robsmorgan]

I've been pottering on with the Annie to HAYES Camelback conversion... increased the cylinder's angle, fitted better window frames and a more accurate version of the prototype 'boiler' (is it called a boiler when it sits on top the main firebox ?) reduced the length of the smoke box (will be a problem installing the smoke fans in the reduced space ) and modified the side panels - here showing the water slide graphics produced on Paint Shop Pro v8 - won't fix them until I have finished the cab modelling and R/C installation. Turned the chimney** from a 2" piece of mahogany and drilled the centre out to take the brass (Hunter) smoke tube
**only placed in position for photo.

Regards
Rob

 

[trammayo]

Looking very good Rob - you'd never guess its origins - like the transfers as well!

 

[robsmorgan]

Thanks again Mick,
here's a pic of the cab interior based on the photos sent from the B&ORR museum.....

a lot more to do, but I will need to work around the R/C kit, etc.....:thinking:

Regards
Rob

 

[trammayo]

I bet there was no problem keeping the billy can warm in that cab! Bet you could lose weight easily - just melt away! I like the pressure gauge with the "flexible" pipe - nice touch that.

 

[Don Gilham]

Bleddy good Rob

 

[Woderwick]

You want some ear plugs too I expect, I mean that bell right behind you.