Soldering

DavidT

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Hi, I make the DelTang radio gear and I noticed some questions about soldering. My products are intentionally small and perhaps they need to grow over time to make them easier to use. The largest connections are normally for motor/battery. These usually have considerable volumes of copper or components attached so soak up heat.

I use a simple non-temperature controlled 25W Antex iron with about a 2.5mm 3/32" angled tip. Up to 40W should be fine; smaller wattage will be harder as it has less heat reserve. Ideally we want to apply robust heat for a short duration.

I ensure the iron is fully up to temperature. This is probably a few minutes after it melts solder. I wipe the tip on a damp sponge or paper towel so it's clean and shiny and then immediately tin it with solder. I find lead easier to use than lead-free. Both need to be intended for electrical work with internal flux, not solder intended for plumbing. I apply the tip to the pad on the receiver and feed solder in at the same time. I may float the tip arround to get the solder to flow over the whole pad. You need to make contact with the gold pads to transfer heat but not use force on them.

I tin the end of the wire and solder it on. In other words you are bringing three things together (wire/pad/iron) that are all clean and solder soaked. The solder on the pad and wire usually melts quite quickly but you do need to make sure that both blend nicely.

Tips sometimes become damaged and the hard coating wears off. You can file the tip to a fresh angle when cold. But if bare copper is exposed it is essential to tin the tip with solder as soon as it comes up to temperature. If you don't do this the copper oxidises and then usually does not accept solder until it is cooled and cleaned again. This principle applies to all sizes of soldering irons/tips. It is a very common problem with large tips and high power irons such as 75W and more. You can only solder well if the tip is nicely tinned.

Rx65 is currently my largest receiver. It has a 4 layer PCB which means double the amount of copper than most boards. So this receiver soaks up heat more than others and requires a fully heated tip and more time on the pad to get solder to flow nicely. Another principle of effective soldering is that the work surface needs to be hot enough to melt the solder. But we start by melting the solder with the iron to improve heat transfer to the pad, and then expect the pad to melt the solder as you feed it in.

I hope this helps with the technique.
Regards, David.
 
As someone who can only manage to solder his fingers together I found this informative and it looks like I need to buy a new soldering iron.
Thank you David.
 
I find a needle tip, better for fine work, but what works for one, doesnt always work for others. Lead free solder is useless for electrical work, and it's about time maplin started selling the proper stuff again. Major electronic suppliers have gone back to lead/tin to build stuff as the lead free failure rate is appalling .
Places like cpc still carry lead/tin if you cant find it locally

Anyway back to my amp project 2kv power supply for a 4cx250 50/70mhz amp
 
Just to say thanks to Gizzy who taught me how to solder, a few years back, in the UK. Mate, it has proved very useful since.
Why don't they teach such stuff at school? Rather than learning Latin? Well cobbers, it is 19c here today, I'm in the doghouse again...
 
chris beckett said:
Just to say thanks to Gizzy who taught me how to solder, a few years back, in the UK. Mate, it has proved very useful since.
Why don't they teach such stuff at school? Rather than learning Latin? Well cobbers, it is 19c here today, I'm in the doghouse again...
Teach soldering in schools!!!! :o :o
No chance!
Cost of materials..
Hot, pointy 'weapons' to poke each other with..
Risk of personal injury.. Mains powered equipment..
'Toxic' lead, and it being vapourised!

:o :o ::) ;)
 
I use to teach Workshop in school. Health and Safety rules are really stifling what can be taught. Paper string and cardboard are the easiest things to use. I once built a copy of the Marmod traction engine with my senior students, we did casting with aluminium, brazing, soldering and machining with a lathe and mill drill. When we fired them up and safety valves started to hiss at 25PSI the principle and a member of the board of trusties walked in, nearly cost me my job. It was deemed to be to dangerous a project to do with students. I was not allowed to do it again. I left teaching soon after.
 
PhilP said:
Teach soldering in schools!!!! :o :o
No chance!
Cost of materials..
Hot, pointy 'weapons' to poke each other with..
Risk of personal injury.. Mains powered equipment..
'Toxic' lead, and it being vapourised!

:o :o ::) ;)

Ee bah gum. When I wor at school we learn't to solder, hearth weld, heat treatment, etc. "Cleaniness (ie preparation) is next to godliness" said my father.

Mind you, H&S was a misspelt acronym for Marks & Sparks. Gas ring, iron, wait for the flames to go green - real sothering - no self cleaning fluxes!
 
On a slight tangent, this is the list of the praticals for a Intermediate Amateur radio Licence http://www.brats-qth.org/training/ilc/cp2.htm, Most students we get at our club, have never touched a soldering Iron or ever wired a 13amp, who here can do the list
 
trammayo said:
Ee bah gum. When I wor at school we learn't to solder, hearth weld, heat treatment, etc. "Cleaniness (ie preparation) is next to godliness" said my father.

Mind you, H&S was a misspelt acronym for Marks & Sparks. Gas ring, iron, wait for the flames to go green - real sothering - no self cleaning fluxes!

...And if you tell t' Youf of today that... They wain't believe thee!! ::)

;) :D ;D ;D
 
chris beckett said:
Why don't they teach such stuff at school? Rather than learning Latin?

I'm sure the Romans had soldering irons O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
 
Yes, liability issues are stifling alot of things these days. I went to school in the fifties and sixties. We still had majors like Trade Prep then. These were taught in Junior and Senior High schools, 7th through 12th grades. There was still some respect left in those days for tradesman. When my kids attended school, shop classes were but a joke. The mindset, which seems to be turning round for the better, was that the trades were for those not quite as "smart" as some. I have a college degree. I am a carpenter, by choice. Proud of my profession, yes it is a profession. I encourage young people to think about a career in the trades when I can. And if one thinks about it, where would we be without all of the many things built by those who work with their hands.

Getting back to the subject of soldering, what about resistance solderers?
 
I well remember enjoying woodwork and metalwork at Grammar school in late 70s, working with hand-tools, lathe, drill press, gas flame brazing etc. My lad goes to the same school now, they don't do any of it beyond very simple cutting and filing. They have the workshops but pupils aren't allowed to use the equipment. It's ridiculous, how are lads supposed to learn to use and respect tools? He studied Design Technology for GSCE, I had to teach him how to solder properly for his project.
 
ntpntpntp said:
I well remember enjoying woodwork and metalwork at Grammar school in late 70s, working with hand-tools, lathe, drill press, gas flame brazing etc. My lad goes to the same school now, they don't do any of it beyond very simple cutting and filing. They have the workshops but pupils aren't allowed to use the equipment. It's ridiculous, how are lads supposed to learn to use and respect tools? He studied Design Technology for GSCE, I had to teach him how to solder properly for his project.
Amen to that!
I to was lucky enough to go to a Grammar school.. Again we did 'Design Technology'. More time was spent teaching us technical drawing, than the practicalities of using tools to create the item we had designed.
We did get to turn a wooden bowl, though the blank I brought in from home I was not allowed to turn in class. - it was made of alternate blocks of light and dark woods. The teacher was worried in case in came apart whilst being turned. Understandable I suppose.
It was made by my Father, who had apprenticed as a pattern maker.. As he said 'it was ridiculous', they worked to thousandths of an inch in wood, which then went to make a sand mould for casting.

I turned the bowl in my Fathers workshop, and took it in to show the teacher.. He was so impressed, he asked it be brought back in for display to prospective new intake pupils and their parents!
 
Interesting Phil. So if the prospective students and their parents asked if that bowl can be made in the class, what was the teachers answer going to be ?

David T was thoughtful enough to start this topic called "Soldering". I am as guilty as anyone here who has strayed off topic. However the off topic is very interesting.
 
I have been lucky.
I never had any formal soldering tuition. Just a dad who could solder properly showing me how to do it.
I do have a very good temperature controlled soldering station.
BTW I only use lead solder still. Cannot stand using that lead free c**p.
 
Talking of lead-free solder..

I also find it difficult (at times) to get even a tinned iron to 'take' (start to melt) a circuit board pad if it has some solders on it. - So don't be surprised if you have the occasional problem.

The 'count to three' rule is good for most things.. If you don't get the joint, or work, to 'take' in the three seconds, pull the iron back, pause, and try again. - Especially true for fine solder traces and pads. Of course, if you are soldering track, or thick feeder cables, then the above rule does not apply! ;)

I would dispute the wet-sponge for cleaning the iron tip. Especially with low wattage irons, as it takes a lot of heat out of the iron. I would recommend the 'metal swarf, pan scourer' type of soldering iron cleaner. - Less heat loss. Lasts forever. More effective at removing 'stubborn' detritus.
 
Agree with recommending the 'metal swarf, pan scourer' type of soldering iron cleaner. - Less heat loss. Lasts forever. More effective at removing 'stubborn' detritus.
Just need stuffing back into the holder now and then.

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Ah, nothing like a good swift smash with a hammer to test proper functioning ;D
 
CAUTION!! Thread drift.

I always though the decent whack was to get them started.
At least my old "portable" Cathode Ray tube colour TV did. Worked every time. Lasted for more than 21 years.
 
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