New but no box

Also, there is no brand stated. There were some cheap rip offs of accucraft by a Company called (I think) Wuhu, who had some pretty average reviews.
You could always raise a report with Ebay - not as described.
 
This IS a Wuhu one (old Babylon 5 reference for fellow geeks out there: "Woo-hoo...?") - you can read it on the instruction booklet in some of the photos.

Jon.
 
Looks a bit dodgy to me! If I bought it I'd get the boiler tested before I'd even think of lighting anything near it.:(
 
The paint on the firebox top does not look new to me!
 
Not being a seller on ebay, is the expanded description of 'new' a fleabay auto extrapolation of the term?
 
trammayo said:
Not being a seller on ebay, is the expanded description of 'new' a fleabay auto extrapolation of the term?
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There is a generic 'new' definition, which most sellers use word-for-word..
They then add something like 'only opened to test' as a bit more of an explanation..

In our part of the hobby, It might be 'opened to check for damage, and test run only..'
 
PhilP said:
There is a generic 'new' definition, which most sellers use word-for-word..
They then add something like 'only opened to test' as a bit more of an explanation..

In our part of the hobby, It might be 'opened to check for damage, and test run only..'
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So you select 'New' and ebay adds an explanation to that word?
 
trammayo said:
So you select 'New' and ebay adds an explanation to that word?
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Mick, I don't sell either, as yet.. :devil::devil:

There is a set of words, which seems to be used by all Sellers, for something which is new.. - Probably adds it by predictive text??

Being lazy (we all are) Sellers tend to use this form of words, and then add amplifications...

So 'new and unused..' ... ...
Is then clarified by 'I bought this x years ago, only out of the box three times, not run much, surplus to requirements'..
So not 'new' in the strictest sense, but certainly 'as new' to us in the know..

HTH?
PhilP
 
trammayo said:
Not being a seller on ebay, is the expanded description of 'new' a fleabay auto extrapolation of the term?
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No, it reminds you when, as a seller, you select 'new'

Sellers who push the boundaries know exactly what they're doing. However, if you have removed an item from the box purely to inspect for physical damage during shipping, you cannot, under the strict interpretation of Ebay's words, list it as new.

Now, in that situation, most of us would want to list it as new, therefore it's all a question of how far have you stretch the boundaries................:think::think::think::think::think:

I believe it's called 'relativism' :nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd:

That said, without a box - new ? I believe the appropriate response contains similar letters, possibly a couple of 'LL's as well :devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:
 
PhilP said:
Mick, I don't sell either, as yet.. :devil::devil:

There is a set of words, which seems to be used by all Sellers, for something which is new.. - Probably adds it by predictive text??

Being lazy (we all are) Sellers tend to use this form of words, and then add amplifications...

So 'new and unused..' ... ...
Is then clarified by 'I bought this x years ago, only out of the box three times, not run much, surplus to requirements'..
So not 'new' in the strictest sense, but certainly 'as new' to us in the know..

HTH?
PhilP
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I just wondered just in case I decided to sell something - mind you, I don't like parting with stuff! There are only two things that could happen to see my stuff sold - either I'd be in the loony bin, or brown bread:(
 
PhilP said:
There is a generic 'new' definition, which most sellers use word-for-word..
They then add something like 'only opened to test' as a bit more of an explanation..

In our part of the hobby, It might be 'opened to check for damage, and test run only..'
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When purchasing a "new" item from a dealer, especially when buying from overseas (I've bought quite a few locos from German dealers via eBay.de), I would much rather that they unboxed it and tested it in their shop for me before shipping it to me, in fact in several cases I've specifically requested this along with (occasionally) a little bit of CV reprogramming to (a) save me doing it, and (b) ensure that everything is tested and working well after the CV changes. The dealers I've used have always been happy to do this, they'd far rather ensure that I get a good, fully working item than one which might cost them to get returned for fixing....

Jon.
 
I think the eBay definitions of what is new and what is used are there to describe to buyers what new means, i.e. if what you buy when you get it doesn't meet that general description (and I suppose if the seller hasn't identified in the item description where the item fails to meet the definition of new), then you can claim that item wasn't as described and return it and get your money, back.
 
What you really need to do, is look at the pictures, sudy the description and read the feedback. If all looks to your liking, cross your fingers & toes, say whatever prayers you say and hit the button! It's always going to be a risky business.
 
Paul M said:
It's always going to be a risky business.
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Not really Paul. Ebay was like that a few years ago - but using Paypal now carries the equivalent protection as using a credit card.
That said - I agree with you regarding checking everything first - we don't want to invite hassle do we.
 
Zerogee said:
When purchasing a "new" item from a dealer, especially when buying from overseas (I've bought quite a few locos from German dealers via eBay.de), I would much rather that they unboxed it and tested it in their shop for me before shipping it to me, in fact in several cases I've specifically requested this along with (occasionally) a little bit of CV reprogramming to (a) save me doing it, and (b) ensure that everything is tested and working well after the CV changes. The dealers I've used have always been happy to do this, they'd far rather ensure that I get a good, fully working item than one which might cost them to get returned for fixing....

Jon.
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I follow the same procedure as outlined above and can confirm that the dealers I have used are more than happy to test prior to shipping.

Martin
 
From memory Wuhu was started by ex-Accucraft Chinese employees who wanted their own product line. It was "leaked out" initially that their Porter loco was a ripoff of a yet to be released Accucraft product that was on the drawing boards. Whether true or not or just corporate hype to denigrate the breakaway group I do not know.

Also from memory, Wuhu has quite a good reputation for British outline gauge 1 steam locomotives.

As regards the eBay description of what is new and what is not. I have sold quite a lot of LGB and "OO" gauge items on eBay and consider that as I am not the original dealer selling the item new from the distributor then technically the item is used as it has had a previous owner. If the item presents as in "new' condition then I list as used with a description "as new". I would think selling as NEW would imply that a warranty applies and acceptance of returns if the item is faulty.
 
I distinctly remember one or two rather poor reports on Wuhu locos and I think from memory it was of this particular model.
Your comment regarding the warranty for a 'new' product is a very interesting point Tim.
 
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