Modifying a Hobby King 2.4 GHz 4CH

KleineDicke

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I got one of the Hobby King 2.4 GHz remote control transmitters as recommended by GregH (http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/satr/2point4GHz.htm ) to control my battery powered locos. My overall impression of the hardware is it’s OK quality, but don’t expect much in the way of customer service from Hobby King. But that’s another story.

Anyway, after following Greg’s excellent instructions (absolutely necessary, since Hobby King doesn’t provide any), I connected the ESC and direction control servo and confirmed it all worked. Then I got to wondering, what am I going to do with the other two channels (it is, after all a 4 channel unit). So I got brave, and after reading on the HK website about somebody altering a mode 1 controller to make it mode 2, which basically means changing the position of the throttle and elevator controls, I decided to try modifying my controller to “mode 3”, i.e. one with two throttle controls. The difference is the throttle control does not return to center (neutral) when you let go of it but the elevator control is spring loaded to return to center.

Turns out it was pretty easy to do. Here’s my step by step- with photos! (Hopefully, the photos will appear when and where I intended them to be.)

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First, remove the 4 screws holding the back cover on the remote transmitter. Lift the cover part way off and unplug the power leads from the circuit board. Set the back cover aside.

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You will see on the left joystick a wiper arm which rubs against detents in the throttle controller, holding it in place where you left it. On the right joystick, there is a cam and spring loaded follower mechanism that centers the joystick. I took this photo after I have removed the mechanism, but you can see a similar mechanism below for the “left-right” movement.

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Remove the screw, spring, and cam follower from the right joystick “up-down” movement.

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Fabricate a wiper arm form any convenient material you have laying about. I used a piece of brass. Take a good look at the wiper arm on the other joystick for an idea of the needed size/shape. Attach the wiper arm as shown, using the screw removed with the spring. I also put a drop of super glue under the mounting spot.


Reassemble the remote controller and voila, you now have a controller which will do basic (speed and direction) control on two separate locomotives. You will need to purchase a second receiver, esc and servo for the second loco, bind the receiver to the transmitter and you’re ready to go.
 

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Thanks for the great guide - are the photos still winging their way through the aether?

I've got a similar tx and was planning just such a mod myself.
 

Doug

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Can you actually run two receivers off the same 2.4 GHz transmitter at the same time?
 

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Doug, yes you can.
It's just a case of binding an extra receiver to the tx.
One of the nice gents from Oz has posted the simple steps requires.
 

KleineDicke

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quote=Westcott]

Thanks for the great guide - are the photos still winging their way through the aether?

I've got a similar tx and was planning just such a mod myself.
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I assume from your comment the photos are not visible. I can't see them either, but I thought maybe it was because my server here at the office blocks the site hosting the images. I'll have to work on it, then.
 

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Westcott said:
Doug, yes you can.
It's just a case of binding an extra receiver to the tx.
One of the nice gents from Oz has posted the simple steps requires.

Was wondering, 'cos the RX/TX talk to each other, would think the TX, would think it was interference!
 

Tony Walsham

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You surely can bind as many RX's to one TX as you wish.
However I have done so in the context of having the RX's in two locos ganged together in one "consist". That is they use the same actual sticks to do the same things in unison. Very handy for MU'ing.

I don't know if you can have the TX actually controlling two locos with different stick controls at the same time.
 

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KleineDicke said:
I got one of the Hobby King 2.4 GHz remote control transmitters as recommended by GregH ......
Anyway, after following Greg’s excellent instructions (absolutely necessary, since Hobby King doesn’t provide any), I connected the ESC and direction control servo and confirmed it all worked. Then I got to wondering, what am I going to do with the other two channels (it is, after all a 4 channel unit).
Reassemble the remote controller and voila, you now have a controller which will do basic (speed and direction) control on two separate locomotives. You will need to purchase a second receiver, esc and servo for the second loco, bind the receiver to the transmitter and you’re ready to go.
Great work. Thanks for sharing the method with us. I'll be giving it a go 'soon'.

As to the discussion by Russ, on using a 5 th channel and DPDT switch to allow multiple operation, I can only wonder why would you bother.
russ said:
On each receiver you could use a DPDT switch to the other two channels to make the locomotives into a MU pair or independent. The two receivers are being controlled simultaneously as Tony pointed out. Actually you would only need to do this on one locomotive.
If you had 5 channels you could set this up as servo controlled switch, only on one locomotive. That way you wouldn't even need to touch the locomotive, just throw channel 5 on the transmitter and the one locomotive would switch to being controlled by the other two channels.
The locomotives should have similar speed curves since you are using ESCs directly.
Just have the 2 locos independently controlled by the 2 sticks so you control 1 loco with the left hand and 1 with the right. Doesn't matter if they have similar speed curves or not - you just control then so thay run at same speed.
I just don't see the problem which keeps being raised in various fora, about having to 'match' loco speeds. Many times I've taken 2, dissimilar track powered locos, coupled them up and away they go. No problem. The load/speeds automatically balance. Am I missing something with the problem?
 

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Doug said:
Was wondering, 'cos the RX/TX talk to each other, would think the TX, would think it was interference!
From what I can discover on the internet, I don't think the Rx talks to the Tx. It works like this:
1. Every Tx sold has a unique number,
2. During the Binding process, every Rx turned on and within range of the binding Tx will receive the Tx's number abd store it - ie it will be bound to that Tx.
3. Then whenever the Rx receives any transmission it ignores any except those from the Tx that it is bound to.
There doesn't seem to be any need for the Rx to talk to the Tx.
 

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Just to remind everyone what this thread and question is about. KleineDicke and myself have modified standard 2.4GHz transmitters to have 2 throttles.
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But there were some doubts whether it would control 2 locos.
Doug said:
Can you actually run two receivers off the same 2.4 GHz transmitter at the same time?

I have now installed receivers in 2 locos and can demonstrate that you most certainly can control them independently. Both receivers are ‘bound’ to the one transmitter, but the motor controller in each loco is plugged into a different servo output (channel).
I’ve made a short video to demonstrate this.

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/satr/mode3 controllerLQ.wmv

The video quality is low to make it a small file. It’s not easy to hold a camera and operate 2 throttles with only 2 hands. And please ignore the sounds – I had some low batteries.
 

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Hi Greg
Seems a perfect RC solution to running two trains simultaneously - I'd purchased a verrrry cheap 6 chanel FlySky 2.4Ghz via ebay (China) and when my Railboss kit eventually arrives :crying: and I've at last tried out my MP3 sound 'system', I would like to try lifting your idea to run two engines as well as my bells & whistles basic sounds - maybe triggering the engine bells from track magnets.
(Also liked your idea of sculpting what we call Thermolite blocks into masonry):clap:

Keep up the great work

Rob