Lgb 22412 Rhb Traktor

I think there are a couple of problems with the 'new' arrangements..

1. Marklin have been in the model railway business for many years, and have their own way of doing things. This is NOT necessarily the way that LGB have done things in the past.

2. The new MFX/MZS (or whatever they use as an acronym for 'MTS'/DCC) decoders do not 'work' in the same way we all know 9and are familiar with) from previous iterations of 'LGB' and Massoth decoders.

This second point is highly relevant, as some people have waded-in, and changed (or attempted to change) CV values, thinking they know what the do, only to find they do not have the same function on these new (different manufacturer) decoders.
The new decoders are less backwards compatible, as there is no serial support, and they apparently do not work with MTS2 either. - Again, this will be a 'new' problem for some.
There is also a definite problem 'talking' to these new decoders with certain DCC equipment. - There is also a problem with the 'answers' given back by the new decoders when we read-back some (at least one) CV values.
I would *really* like to sit-down with someone from Marklin, a technical German/English translator, and a full set if instructions for these decoders as well.

Other than that. The new sounds available seem very good. The effects seem to be comprehensive.
I think the jury is out on the suitability of the new CS2 for our needs, and outdoors in general.

Your mileage may vary, of course!
 
PhilP said:
I think there are a couple of problems with the 'new' arrangements..

1. Marklin have been in the model railway business for many years, and have their own way of doing things. This is NOT necessarily the way that LGB have done things in the past.

2. The new MFX/MZS (or whatever they use as an acronym for 'MTS'/DCC) decoders do not 'work' in the same way we all know 9and are familiar with) from previous iterations of 'LGB' and Massoth decoders. This is a very good point

This second point is highly relevant, as some people have waded-in, and changed (or attempted to change) CV values, thinking they know what the do, only to find they do not have the same function on these new (different manufacturer) decoders.
The new decoders are less backwards compatible, as there is no serial support, and they apparently do not work with MTS2 either. - Again, this will be a 'new' problem for some. Fully agree
There is also a definite problem 'talking' to these new decoders with certain DCC equipment. - There is also a problem with the 'answers' given back by the new decoders when we read-back some (at least one) CV values.
I would *really* like to sit-down with someone from Marklin, a technical German/English translator, and a full set if instructions for these decoders as well.

Other than that. The new sounds available seem very good. The effects seem to be comprehensive.
I think the jury is out on the suitability of the new CS2 for our needs, and outdoors in general.

Your mileage may vary, of course!
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Hi Philip,

Here is a link to the instructions for the LGB55028 decoder. The English section is from page 13. I hope that you find this useful and can I draw your attention to the notes concerning CV50

https://www.champex-linden.de/download_lgb_pi_2015/bda_system/55028_Decoder m4-D-F.pdf

Regards

Martin
 
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PhilP said:
The new decoders are less backwards compatible, as there is no serial support, and they apparently do not work with MTS2 either. - Again, this will be a 'new' problem for some.
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I'm glad I got the socket only in Rhatia and fitted a new ESU decoder that is fully backwards compatible. I've had similar problems in OO with certain makes and now down to 3 brands I know will work.
Very frustrating when they don't warn people in advance they have limited the backwards compatibility as you waste time playing around trying to find out what is wrong.
 
Hi all,
Sorry for the delay...here's something I had written up, and I tried to upload my Massoth programming file for those who use the programmer but it doesn't seem to recognize the file type. Anyone who wants it PM with your email and I'll send it.
I ran through all the sound functions and quickly discovered that (once again) they failed to provide information on which sounds should be triggered in a momentary way, and which should be set for latching. Here is a summary of the functions and how they should be set:

F1: Long Horn-- set to momentary and it will play as long as you hold the button
F2: Brake squeal on/off-- set to latching
F3: Short Horn-- set to momentary, gives quick toot
F4: Cab radio talk--set to momentary. Plays random two way radio chatter--actually sounds great--my favourite function
F5: Air compressor--set to momentary and will play as long as you hold it. I'm not sure if it shuts off if left in latching mode.
F6: Operating Sounds (motor). This is the engine startup/shutdown routine. Loco won't drive until it finishes playing. Set to latching.More on this one later relating to analog operation...
F7: Cab lighting-- turns light on/off inside operator area
F8: Sound on/off--- turns all sounds on/off
F9: ABV off-- This turns all accel/deceleration off.
F10: Double A switching light -- turns all lights on at both ends
F11: Headlights off at rear
F12: Headlights off at front
F13: Compressed Air-- Not sure what this is really to represent-- brake release or maybe pressure release? Set to momentary
F14: Sanding-- makes a quick sand release sound -- momentary
F15: Garage noises-- makes random clatter -- momentary

CV changes I made to improve performance etc: default in brackets where known

CV 2: minimum speed change: 5 (def 18)
CV 3: Accel - 35 (5)
CV 4: Decel - 30 (5)
CV13: 32 (0) This one activates sound when in analog mode. (Jonothan to make cab lights on add 64 so CV=96)
CV29: 7 (6) I like the cab portion to be called the forward end instead of the platform end
CV50: 2 (10) leave analog on, turn MFX off
CV52: 7 (not shown) analog oper.
CV54: 40 ( ) BEMF parameter K
CV55: 70 (22) adjust BEMF control parameter I (Inertia)
CV56: 40 (18)
CV63: 200 (255) adjust overall volume down
CV66: 60 (128) This adjusts forward speed "trimming" or lowers top speed. Note this isn't shown on CV list in manual but is shown on the standard Maerklin DCC CV list
CV95: 60 (128) This adjusts reverse top speed as per CV66
CV139: 225 (255) this adjusts the motor sound down slightly relative to the other sounds as I found it a bit too loud
CV176: 7 (10) lowers min speed in analog
CV177: 140 (180) lowers max speed in analog
Speed curve specific:
67: 5
68: 12
69: 19
70: 26
71: 31
72: 40
Rest of speed curve unchanged.

Other notes:

As always, I pulled the cover off the motor block to check for grease. Sure enough--tons of grease on the gear wheels, but zero on the axles! I can't believe they can't get this right--had the same problem with the Allegra! It also looks like they've gone back to the old LGB grease instead of the white grease that was showing up for a while. Otherwise, wheel gauge was good, but lots of side-shift when changing from forward to reverse. You can see the loco sit still and shift over a few mm before moving. The previous Tm2/2's had the same issue but this one seems more obvious for some reason. I may end up putting in some bushings to limit the movement. Unfortunately this is a by-product of having the worm gear drive the axle gear directly instead of having that little countershaft with gear giving the extra reduction and having straight teeth drive the axle gear (like the Ge4/4ii's,iii's etc).

Keith
 
Thank you Keith RhB for a very helpful post.

I find that the sound reproduction of 22412 a little muffled. I think this is because the speaker appears to be attached to the front bulkhead with no apertures to let the sound out. With 21410 (RhB Tm 2/2 17) you can attach the speaker behind the side radiator grill, having previously removed to side cut-out section behind the grill. I've yet to try any similar modifications to the newer 22412!

Here's another link on the LGB site re MFx decoder information:

http://www.lgb.com/en/products/tools_downloads/Technical information/Decoder.html

Note this document appears to indicate support for the older MTS systems viz - " The decoder must be set for 14 speed levels for operation with the MTS I or MTS II controllers."
 
Thank you all for the helpfull information.

I have found something more on internet.

For the pin mapping see Massoth XLS-m1 manual:

http://www.lgb.com/en/products/tools_downloads/Technical information/Decoder.html

For more inof about all the CV's:
(sorry, it is in german, if someone want to know something)
http://www.maerklin.de/fileadmin/media/service/decoder-updates/mLD3_mSD3_Zusatzanleitung.pdf

The most important informatie is the "mode" parameter for the AUX output, page 3 (CV 112, 115
, 118 ....)

I will translate:
Value Declaration
0 Off
1 Dimmer
2 Blinking ligth 1
3 Blinking ligth 2
4 Blinking individually
5 Blinking double
6 Random generator
7 Smoke generator
8 Ligth on/ fade out
9 Mars ligth
10 Gyra ligth
11 Ligth with "Rule 17" forward
12 Ligth with "Rule 17" backward
13 Neornöhre (i dont know what ???)
14 Energy save ligth
15 Telex
16 Switching
17 short Switching

(a little bit strange: manual 17 values, LGB 55028 only 16)

Johan van Putten
Rotterdam
The Netherlands
 
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