Is it worth bidding for?

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Sarah Winfield

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The following is currently for sale on ebay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LGB-Coach/183181491278?hash=item2aa677bc4e:g:F5YAAOSwhuxat~f2

It has been there for a couple of weeks. I offered the seller £25.00. He replied he thought a fair price of £30 and he has now re-listed it at £30.00. (I suggested he should do this to see if he gets any more interest.)

The photograph show the damaged paintwork which is why I offered £25.00 with my TIC!

What do members think please? Is it worth it? I think I can hide the damaged paintwork.

Thanks,

Sarah Winfield
 
Stick with your bid Sarah.

It's worth what you think it is worth.

If it sells at £30, then fair enough for the seller.

But they just might end up with no sale.

Better to have £25 than nowt IMHO....
 
There again it is only the lower red bodywork that seems to be scraped, you wouldn't have to do the whole carriage, so if you are good with a brush it is worth considering. Just keep an eye on it and see what happens.
 
Anything offered for sale is only worth what the next owner is willing to pay..
And like busses a nother one will be along shortly...unless it's ultra rare .ect
And coaches like this are not that rare
 
25 max,,,, good ones can be bought for 40,,,

i have 4 red cream which i am thinking about selling and maby a stainz no 2 with the chuff and a black no one without

i must list them and let someone else enjoy them,,,,,,,

if you want 4 send me a message and i will do you a good price for all 4
 
I live very frugally. If I spot something at a low price which meets my needs then I will buy it. This type of coach seems to sell at between £40 and £50.
I'm not very good at this sort of thing and seem to usually pay over the odds.
If you've ever had to hide under the kitchen table away from the rent man, and you are a very impressionable young child, you make sure you never want for money again.
As Charles Dickens's Mr. Micawber said, ""Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen [pounds] nineteen [shillings] and six [pence], result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

I am though grateful for your comments.

Sarah Winfield
 
Also has to be said that it has the old style couplings so will be quite a venerable old thing. If you do get it well worth considering dry brushing the skuffs to represent rusting.
 
dunnyrail said:
Also has to be said that it has the old style couplings so will be quite a venerable old thing. If you do get it well worth considering dry brushing the skuffs to represent rusting.
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It has the closed balconies too.

As Dunnyrail said it is very old - early 70s I think?

The only plus is that the wheels look as though they have been replaced with the later plastic sleeved axle type. Hopefully these will have the modern shallower flanges too, so it will run smoothly on modern track

James
 
Looking at this a little more and delving into the Christmann Catalogue and the Kompendium it should be a Ref 3011-1 as this works for the colour. But the Roman numerals for the class as II initially ruled this out comparing the (in my mind) pics in the cats. However my German or lack of it picks up that the production period as James mentions from 1969/70 was spot on and there appears to be reference to availability in II and III class. So it probably is a 3011-1. The couplings work for this period, luckily the wheels have been changed to the shallower flanges. A venerable vehicle indeed.

Would be good if anyone can confirm my ramblings on this for Sarah if she bids on it.
 
dunnyrail said:
Looking at this a little more and delving into the Christmann Catalogue and the Kompendium it should be a Ref 3011-1 as this works for the colour. But the Roman numerals for the class as II initially ruled this out comparing the (in my mind) pics in the cats. However my German or lack of it picks up that the production period as James mentions from 1969/70 was spot on and there appears to be reference to availability in II and III class. So it probably is a 3011-1. The couplings work for this period, luckily the wheels have been changed to the shallower flanges. A venerable vehicle indeed.

Would be good if anyone can confirm my ramblings on this for Sarah if she bids on it.
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Spot on there Dunnyrail!

I forgot to mention the unshaded roof, but obviously they are easily swapped.

Been thinking about the paint - looks a little dark to me, although that could just be the photos! However, above the waistline I can see traces of what appears to be a brighter red factory overspray.

Is it possible this has already been repainted?

Obviously this won't account for the white patches showing through..... LGB paint doesn't normally chip or flake that easily, so this coach looks like it might be a survivor of very rough life.

I love charm and naive simplicity of early LGB, but the more I look at this one I find the words Pole and Barge are getting louder!

James
 
Well, I had more or less decided not to bid on the item. Now I think I definitely won't.

It's been interesting reading the replies not that all the comments make sense (not intended to be an insult, more about my ignorance)? Like the wheel flanges? I assume LGB changed them at some stage, but why? How can you identify which is which, please?

I try always to buy LGB. Only because I can spell it?

Sarah Winfield
 
Sarah Winfield said:
Well, I had more or less decided not to bid on the item. Now I think I definitely won't.

It's been interesting reading the replies not that all the comments make sense (not intended to be an insult, more about my ignorance)? Like the wheel flanges? I assume LGB changed them at some stage, but why? How can you identify which is which, please?

I try always to buy LGB. Only because I can spell it?

Sarah Winfield
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Hello Sarah,

Firstly the wheels came on huge solid metal axles that had large middles. The flanges were deep!

Them in the late 70s they went over to plastic sleeve type wheels over a thin metal axle, which look almost the same as those on that coach we have discussed....

But the flanges were still deeper than they are now and it can be hard to spot unless you compare them directly with a post 1980? Wheel.

However they won't run as well through points etc, but they will still just about run.

I had a set lurking on one of my 1980 vintage LGB trams until 2012, when I saw it rocking and rolling through a crossing where everything else ran well.

Easily remedied and frankly the deep flanges sleeved type are very rare as they were not made for long, so just look out for big metal axles!

James
 
The other thing to remember is that once you can ID the current wheels they are easily obtained second hand for lot a lot pf money as many do swop for Metal. I think we have already had the metal wheel discussion elswhere.
 
Only other observation is that the plastic scrollwork bits under the foor at each each seem to be missing ( see The other specimen for comparison)
 
dunnyrail said:
Also has to be said that it has the old style couplings so will be quite a venerable old thing. If you do get it well worth considering dry brushing the skuffs to represent rusting.
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Hi, I'm hoping someone is still reading this thread, as your comment about the "older style couplings" means someone knows about such things... I have been buying extra hooks to double couple my coaches, as my track isn't totally level and it has resulted in interesting crashes... I have discovered, however, that two of my coaches have these old style couplings and I am unable to fit a hook to the loop end. Is there any way this can be done? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
angiea said:
Hi, I'm hoping someone is still reading this thread, as your comment about the "older style couplings" means someone knows about such things... I have been buying extra hooks to double couple my coaches, as my track isn't totally level and it has resulted in interesting crashes... I have discovered, however, that two of my coaches have these old style couplings and I am unable to fit a hook to the loop end. Is there any way this can be done? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
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The only thing you can really do in this case is to replace the entire wheel-carrier and coupling shaft assemblies (the "bogies", although of course they are only one axle each - the bit that swivels a few degrees to allow the coupling shaft to swing) with the more modern type. They are fairly easily obtainable as spares, and are not terribly expensive. The newer type should be a straight drop-in replacement for the original old ones, just by unscrewing the chassis frame from the body of the coach/wagon.

Here they are, just over a tenner a pair from Peter at Chalk Garden Rail:
http://www.chalkgardenrail.co.uk/store/product/item323.html

Jon.
 
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