Did LGB ever make an R1 Double Slip?

[Gizzy]

I am aware PIKO are supposed to be producing a R1 Double Slip at some time?

However, I seem to recall on the old GSM website that someone had an older version of the LGB Double Slip, that had a special type of point motor which could change both sets of blades. I can remember it was made for indoor use only and commenting that the point motor could possibly be replaced by 2 of the current LGB type.

Does anyone have an example of the old LGB product, and is it R1, or the same as the current (R2/R3) product?

Would be interested in buying one for a future project if it is R1, and the price is right....

 

[sparky230]

the r1 double slip is 12260 dont know if thats the one you want

 

[Gizzy]

the r1 double slip is 12260 dont know if thats the one you want

That's the R3 22.5 deg version they make today, but I've just found they made an earlier version LGB 1225 for indoor use.

It has 15 sleepers compared to the 13 sleepers of today's LGB 12260.

What I can't work out is if it's R1 30, but with more sleepers, and therefore longer thatn the current version, I reckon it is R3?

The current version LGB 12260 is more R2 in length IMO....

 

[Loco]

The 12260 is R1 22.5° according to this site: http://www.eurorailhobbies.com/erh_detail.asp?mn=34&ca=9&sc=G&stock=LGB-12260
It is anyway not R3, I just put a 12260 on top of a R3 switch and the curvatures do not match. Checked with R1 curve and it matches.

However, the 1225 according to this link has a slow motion motor: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lgb-1225-double-slip-switch-77511237

Sounds cool if it works.

 

[sparky230]

i just downloaded the track diagrams and checked a 12260 against a r1 curve, it matches at 22.5 deg the same as a r1 curve

 

[Cliff George]

Sorry Gary I don't know if LGB ever made an R1 double slip.

You are correct about the existing 12260 version it is closest to R2. I've got one and it can be seen on the latest video.

Its not exactly an R2, it seems to have a slightly larger radius than that, but I use it as an R2. It is certainly not R1.

 

[korm kormsen]

as far as i know, the double slip stayed the same. and it was always of the same form as the 30° crossing. only the one motor was replaced by two motors.

 

[Gizzy]

I guess from my research that the older double slip LGB 1225 is 22.5 deg, and used with R3 points.

I realise I could add the short quarter curve 7.5 degrees LGB 11040 if I wanted to connect it to an R1/30 degree curve/point, but this would change the track centres from 165mm to 190mm.
This wouldn't work for the plan I have in mind.

Guess I'll have to wait for the PIKO G-DKW double slip, which will do what I want quite nicely....

 

[Gizzy]

I guess from my research that the older double slip LGB 1225 is 22.5 deg, and used with R3 points.

I realise I could add the short quarter curve 7.5 degrees LGB 11040 if I wanted to connect it to an R1/30 degree curve/point, but this would change the track centres from 165mm to 190mm.
This wouldn't work for the plan I have in mind.

Guess I'll have to wait for the PIKO G-DKW double slip, which will do what I want quite nicely....

 

[Gizzy]

This is the idea I have in my head for a layout to replace Hardyard.

It's been designed to fit on 2 boards, 1.5 by 0.5 metres, so that they fit side by side in my trailer.

Rather than the Sector Plate that's used on Hardyard, I've had the idea of a Traverser as used by RhB Paul. I have some runners from an old computer desk that I'm planning to use for this? This would be hidden behind a backscene which will have a single siding in front of it.

The plan is drawn using AnyRail EN5. This has libraries for LGB and PIKO as well as other G gauge makes, as well as other scales. It's possible to mix makes of track with this software and the plan below shows the PIKO G-DKW Double Slip and LGB R1 points and track.

I have the LGB track, including the LGB 12360 3 way point, but I haven't seen the PIKO double slip in the shops here as yet....

 

[Gizzy]

The layout would be operated using MTS 6.0 software and a LGB 55065 PC Interface, similar to Hardyard and my Garden Layout.

Digital Motors to switch the points would be mounted under the baseboard....

 

[Gizzy]

A couple of photos showing the early LGB 1235 and the later LGB 1236/12360 double slip.

Both are 22.5 deg, but if you count the sleepers in the earlier version, it has 15. I reckon this is closer to R3 but I can't confirm this?

Compare this to the later model which has 13 sleepers.

As Cliff and Loco have correctly surmised, the current version of the Double Slip is around R2 ish curve, and not R3.

I always thought this mixed up geometry was confusing, but it appears that LGB did once make the Double Slip (and the 3 way point) to R3. These would have been easier to integrate into a layout compared to their newer cousins, where you need to either fit the LGB short track sections or chop up lengths of track to fit....

 

[korm kormsen]

if in doubt, what is easyer, than to look things up?
the LGB manual says, that
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[Gizzy]

That was very useful Korm?

From your linky, I've copied this;
? Double-Slip Switch.

The 12260 Electric-Double Slip Switch is both a
switch and a crossing. When operated "straight," trains pass straight across
the crossing. When operated "curved," trains are diverted to the left or
right on a curve, just like a switch. The curved sections share the same
22.5° arc as the 16000-series curved sections but are R1 radius. The
straight sections are symmetrical, both 375 mm long.
When used with 10050 make-up sections, the 12260 can be combined
with 16000-series sections to create parallel tracks with 185 mm spacing.

It has a R1 curve, but only 22.5 degrees (LGB 11000 curves are 30 deg), the length is 375 mm (LGB 10000 straights are 300 mm) and needs the LGB 10050 short straights to make it fit into the geometry used with LGB 16000 R3 22.5 deg curves....

 

[Gizzy]

So the answer to my original post, is LGB have never made a R1 Double Slip per se,

only one that fits R3 geometry with additional short straights albiet using an R1 curve of 22.5 deg.

Looks like I'll have to await the PIKO product before I can action my plan....