CHIPPING A CLEANING LOCO 2067

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I have just fitted a Massoth eMotion L chip (8154001) to the above. The lights work but not the cleaning disk. Can someone give advice on the CV values to activate the cleaning disk?

Many thanks
 
I would presume that the cleaning motor should be wired via function 1 at full track voltage as the motor is operated by function 1 on the original decoder.
Perhaps someone else could enlighten us further?
 
AlanS said:
I would presume that the cleaning motor should be wired via function 1 at full track voltage as the motor is operated by function 1 on the original decoder.
Perhaps someone else could enlighten us further?
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....and possibly via a relay, as I'm not sure that Function 1 could take the amp load of the cleaning motor?
I don't think that an L decoder has enough "oomph" to power both the driving and cleaning motors anyway.

Jon.
 
A1 & A2 on the eMotion L are rated at 0.5A, A3 thru A6 are rated at 0.05A so as Jon (Zerogee) suggests switch the cleaning motor through a relay. Maybe the cleaning motor could be connected to D+ & D- via the relay however I am unsure of the max power available through these terminals and therefore take no responsibility if you burn out your decoder.

Massoth have punlished a guide to fitting a XL to an older track cleaning loco (german translation) http://46.252.143.156/forumen/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=219&sid=fe73a8e10db1e70f9aba3814550753ca#p712 < Link To here.

How did you fit the L decoder? Do you have any photos?
 
I am having a problem getting a decent photo, however I can describe what I have done. Firstly the Massoth chip fits directly into the sockets on the main pcb, in the same way when fitting a chip in a Stainz. Secondly Dip Switches 1 and 2 are set to off.

Hope this helps
 
I hope you switched ALL of the switches when you installed the decoder - failure to do this WILL damage the decoder.

As I am unable to find the instructions for this varient, i would suspect that everything should run off of A1 via Fkey 1 after installing the decoder.
 
I can confirm that both Dip Switches were set to off when I installed the chip.

I will try some more testing today and report back. The loco address is currently set to 3. I will try the CV values as per your Massoth link in your previous posting.
 
The blue box on the board (JY24H) is a 24v relay, so I think safe to assume that handles switching the cleaning motor via the DCC function output. I'd have thought as long as F1 is set to full voltage output it should work.
 
I am having a challenging time. I took the chip out of the loco and ran it on anologue with no problems, flashing lights and cleaning wheels rotate. I then put in a nbrand new chip, this time a 55021, read all the CVs etc. Put on track goes forward and backwards with no problems. Front lights come on when pressing 1, but no flashing lights etc. I can hear the relay clicking on pressing 2 through 9. I am temporarily strumped. Can any one help?
 
ok, i did a loco for old one sugar.. simialir thing.. no go on the cleaning .. now it been a long ,long time ago, in a galixy far far away... im aware this has the potentual to go horribly wrong.. but im sure we ended up "RISKING BLOWING THE CHIP" by flicking the 2 sepert dipp switches.. now if it works iwill take the credit.. when it gose WRONG you do it at your own risk,, as i honestly can not remember which dip switches they were.. but logically, the 2 on there own look the buggers...so its up to you,..
 
so the logical thing to do, is to pm ian.s and ask him nicely to take a photo off the configuration off the dip switches in his?
 
or it might be netty!!
 
As you've used a Massoth L decoder, try emailing Peter Ting at Massoth (I think the contact address is on their website), and ask him - he's very helpful and usually answers within 24 hours....
My guess would be the same as Mike's, that the block of 6 dip switches must all be OFF (that is standard when installing a decoder in a DCC-ready LGB loco), but it MAY be that the smaller block of two MIGHT have to be ON for the cleaning motor to work on DCC - especially as the pre-chipping pic you posted show these two as OFF in analogue mode (while the block of 6 were all ON).
Like Mike, I take no responsibility for this suggestion - this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it, and you try it at your own risk!

Jon.
 
Thanks everyone for your advice. The Cleaning Loco is now working properly on DCC!!!!! The problem I had was trying to program with the cab switch set to 3, I had misread the instructions which stated that it should be set to 0. Once programming had been completed with both sets of Dip Switches set to closed, the Loco ran perfectly with the Cab Switch set furthest away from the Window.

I hope that this will be of assistance with anyone else chipping this type of loco.
 
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