Traction Tire Size for LGB 20542 Aster Hudson Steam Locomotive

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Hi Folks - Anyone have an LGB Hudson and knows the traction tire size it requires? I have a customer who wants to order one for his locomotive. I've posted the same question a few days ago on LargeScaleCentral.com and haven't gotten a specific answer. LGB/Marklin makes 37.5mm, 47.5mm and 54mm (Mikado) and I'm hoping the 54mm size will fit. Interestingly, when I download the LGB 20542 User Guide the traction tire part number is not listed in the common repair parts for this locomotive. The original LGB company always listed the traction tire so don't know why they didn't for this model.
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My advice is measure the wheels... $10 at harbor freight will allow your customer to measure the wheels himself.

Greg
Greg, thanks, good idea. My customer says the locomotive is stored in its wood chest out in the garage so not readily available to measure the wheels. We may have to resort to that approach if no one who owns the same model locomotive can tell me what size tire they used.
 

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so if it is in a case, why do you need to replace the tires? ;)
Greg - Why your question, stump the hobbyist?! The obvious answer is to have the traction tire available when the locomotive is removed from storage. Any more questions?
 

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My advice is measure the wheels... $10 at harbor freight will allow your customer to measure the wheels himself.

Greg
The Hudson had 79" wheels, and the Aster/LGB loco is 1/29th (I checked.) So the wheels are 2.75" or 69mm, although LGB probably made them a couple of mm less.
 

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The Hudson had 79" wheels, and the Aster/LGB loco is 1/29th (I checked.) So the wheels are 2.75" or 69mm, although LGB probably made them a couple of mm less.
Fred - Do you know of a source to get traction tires for the larger sized LGB/Aster Hudson wheels? I don't think Marklin makes them since they only focus on the LGB models they have made, not the former LGB company's models.
 

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Do you know of a source to get traction tires for the larger sized LGB/Aster Hudson wheels?
Tom, I answered this on LSC (Fred is an alternate ID for Peter T.) My pal got some long ago from OnlyTrains.
 

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Tom, I answered this on LSC (Fred is an alternate ID for Peter T.) My pal got some long ago from OnlyTrains.
And OnlyTrains.com tells me they don't have any traction tires for the Hudson. All of my inquiries to find traction tires for the Hudson are coming up dead-ended.
 

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And OnlyTrains.com tells me they don't have any traction tires for the Hudson.
I feel your pain. Did you talk to Tom at Onlytrains who my pal identified?

My only other suggestion would be to find a German LGB service shop and talk to them. (Skype will keep the cost of the call down.) The guys here have some favorite shops in Europe. See this shop which gets lots of mentions:
LGB Gartenbahn, Massoth, Pola im Modell-Land.de
 

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Greg - Why your question, stump the hobbyist?! The obvious answer is to have the traction tire available when the locomotive is removed from storage. Any more questions?
Yes, how do you get all the strange ones? So tremendous hassle to take out of box in garage. Life is tough.
 

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I feel your pain. Did you talk to Tom at Onlytrains who my pal identified?

My only other suggestion would be to find a German LGB service shop and talk to them. (Skype will keep the cost of the call down.) The guys here have some favorite shops in Europe. See this shop which gets lots of mentions:
LGB Gartenbahn, Massoth, Pola im Modell-Land.de
I contacted Carrie at OnlyTrains.com who does all the LGB parts research and ordering.........no joy. I'll contact my Massoth supplier in Germany to see if he has any suggestions for sources there. I've already checked the parts available at Modell-Land.de, Champex-Linden.de and ShopWarenburg.de
 

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so if it is in a case, why do you need to replace the tires? ;)
Personally, I am not a fan of traction tires. After 10 years you have to replace them. All my locos (non-LGB) work fine without them. I'd take the wheels off, fill the wheel groove with something metal (brass strip?) and spin it in a drill against a file to smooth it down.
 

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Personally, I am not a fan of traction tires. After 10 years you have to replace them. All my locos (non-LGB) work fine without them. I'd take the wheels off, fill the wheel groove with something metal (brass strip?) and spin it in a drill against a file to smooth it down.
Well, that's very interesting and certainly an option if the customer had the skills and tools to do so. He's going to get someone else to even put the traction tire on for him and also install the replacement 5v. smoke generator I'm sending him.
 

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Hi Tom - I ran into the same dilemma a few years ago with my LGB/Aster 20542 Hudson. I was about to have some custom made from a rubber seal company (not cheap!), but then somebody pointed me in the direction of these Piko BR64 traction tires, and I can verify that they DO fit. They are available from Only Trains or Upland Trains.

Here's another fun fact about the Hudson (at least mine anyway). My flickering firebox stopped working and I was dreading having to pull it apart to fix it. I just happened to replace the 5v smoke generator (which wasn't working) and BAM the flickering firebox started working too!!

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Here's another fun fact about the Hudson (at least mine anyway). My flickering firebox stopped working and I was dreading having to pull it apart to fix it. I just happened to replace the 5v smoke generator (which wasn't working) and BAM the flickering firebox started working too!!
Of course it did, have you never heard of the expression 'There's no smoke without fire'.

David
 
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Another though for traction tyre woes is Bullfrog Snot. Readily available in UK and USA.
 

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The Hudson is one of the few locos I recommend ripping all the electronics out of first.

I've seen people use Bullfrog Snot, some get a great, smooth result, but by far what I have seen is uneven and does not last long on heavy locos, as the Aster is.

Greg
 

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Hi Tom - I ran into the same dilemma a few years ago with my LGB/Aster 20542 Hudson. I was about to have some custom made from a rubber seal company (not cheap!), but then somebody pointed me in the direction of these Piko BR64 traction tires, and I can verify that they DO fit. They are available from Only Trains or Upland Trains.

Here's another fun fact about the Hudson (at least mine anyway). My flickering firebox stopped working and I was dreading having to pull it apart to fix it. I just happened to replace the 5v smoke generator (which wasn't working) and BAM the flickering firebox started working too!!

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Hi Jeff - Thanks for the tip on these Piko tires. Funny, when I sent the email to Carrie, the parts person at OnlyTrains.com, she told me they had no traction tires available for the Hudson. Anyway, do you know what the mm diameter size is of these Piko tires?