Returning to Trains, need some help.

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Hey everyone. New here. Recently my love for trains came back swiftly and started taking over my brain. I loved LGB when I was a kid and want to return to it now in my late 30's. I'm selling my ATV and gonna begin my G Scale journey again. But there is a lot of things I have not seen before and just have some questions.

So I wanna use LGB but I see PIKO makes 1:22.5 engines now. How is the quality? I was looking at 37243 DB IV BR50 Steam engine cause I love big boy lookin steam or the LGB Mikado.

Also I noticed MTH makes the exact big boy steam engines i love but they are 1:29. Can these even link up with LGB and if they can does the size difference look odd together. I just cant find a side by side pic of them.

Those are the two questions I was having issues finding answers for. Any help would be great. Thanks!

-Rich
 
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The Piko is much better quality than it used to be when introduced. So If you are buying new will be fine. If you find that any second hand Piko seduces your cash, look carefully at the wheels and if a grubby look not shiny reject as the older wheels run horrible. Piko cale is a bit odd but should be pretty close to similar scale but being US prototype the Big Boy will tower over the Piko. I would make your mind up what you want in terms of a theme and stick to it. US or European would appear to be your bent. Most of the LGB is a larger scale 1:24 or thereabouts but will match Piko for size but being mostly of narrow gauge prototypes may look odd after a while. But LGb Standard Gauge things with 2 buffers each end should match Piko 50 etc quite well.
 
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First off thank you for info. But from what I have looked at it seems the new Pico engine is 1:22.5 and LGB is supposedly 1:22.5 as well. Havent seen anything saying its 1:24. Is this correct? Also I am only interested in the pico engines using LGB cars.

I should probably add that I also still own my original LGB stuff so I already have cars stuff.
 
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First off thank you for info. But from what I have looked at it seems the new Pico engine is 1:22.5 and LGB is supposedly 1:22.5 as well. Havent seen anything saying its 1:24. Is this correct? Also I am only interested in the pico engines using LGB cars.

I should probably add that I also still own my original LGB stuff so I already have cars stuff.
Size wise, the Piko stuff sits OK alongside LGB - both of them are made with rather elastic rulers.

MTH is 1:32 isn't it? and will appear a lot smaller when you put them side by side :nod:
 
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First off thank you for info. But from what I have looked at it seems the new Pico engine is 1:22.5 and LGB is supposedly 1:22.5 as well. Havent seen anything saying its 1:24. Is this correct? Also I am only interested in the pico engines using LGB cars.

I should probably add that I also still own my original LGB stuff so I already have cars stuff.
Scales and sizes of so called G scale are all over place so I would not put too much worry over it, they monkey around with things so that there is a a near common size rather than scale. 2 extremes are the LGB Sachen Meyer which is a very small loco and should be overpowered by the LGb Harz 2-10-2 but they are around the same height and width. The Piko 50 from the front end does look somewhat wrong being to a scale that does not match quite right with the track gauge of 45mm thus giving the look of a slightly narrow gauge loco, though many are happy with this compromise. Much better in looking than the Tri-and TT scale of uk (3mm to the foot on 12mm gauge) looked from the front that represented 4ft gauge rather than standard. He ho I do normally think of LgB at around 1:24 but I think you will find that 1:20.3 represents a scale of 15mm to the foot running on 45 gauge thus giving true scale 3ft models. I worked in this some years ago doing Irish NG, many in the US use this as well with certain manufacturers catering for the scale. As you can see, things are not quite so clear cut and we often have quite long threads about scale and gauge in this forum. In the end it is a bit of a mine field hence my suggestion to think about what you really want, will save you much money long term.
 
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Wow the variation is intense. So basically that Piko 50 should look just about right next to LGB stuff? Cause I really like that engine lol
 
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Wow the variation is intense. So basically that Piko 50 should look just about right next to LGB stuff? Cause I really like that engine lol
Welcome!
I think you have just answered your own question? :):nod::clap:

There are two ways of running a garden railway:
1. True to scale, location, era, etc. - EVERYTHING MUST BE RIGHT.
2. Nice color! - I *really* need one of those.. - Doesn't matter if it is a narrow-gauge loco, with standard gauge rolling-stock.

Most of us, are somewhere in between.. We have a general theme, but hey! it's your railway, so run what you like / want! :rock:
 
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Ok. I think I have an idea of what to do then.

What I wanna do is either us the LGB Mikado or Piko 50 engine and get the real nice yellow LGB Coca-Cola cars and tanks.

So based on everything said here that should look just fine if I use Piko instead of LGB. TY Guys.
 
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Go for it, rule 8 rules supreme
 
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Ok. I think I have an idea of what to do then.

What I wanna do is either us the LGB Mikado or Piko 50 engine and get the real nice yellow LGB Coca-Cola cars and tanks.

So based on everything said here that should look just fine if I use Piko instead of LGB. TY Guys.
As Paul says, go for it and then let us see the pictures :clap: :clap:
 
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Some of the Piko rolling stock such as the 2 bay hopper are from molds which originally came from another manufacturer MDC and are somewhere between 1:29 and 1:32.
The Piko wood side caboose looks to me 1:24 or smaller as it seems small compared to an LGB caboose so careful with those ones
MTH is 1:32 standard gauge and will look tiny compared to 1:22.5 narrow gauge stock.
 
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So I emailed Piko about BR50 scale and how it would look with LGB cars. This is what they replied with.
"The new PIKO BR50 locos are models of standard-gauge prototypes. Much as LGB has done with its models of standard gauge trains, this is not a 1:22.5 scale model. That would require a wider track gauge. So it is a compromise scale of around 1:26 or 1:27, just as LGB did. This fits with the overall size of other LGB and PIKO European style locos and cars."

So that is basically saying a 1:26/27 Standard guage is similar to the 1:22.5 narrow if I'm reading this right.
 
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Yes, much of LGB's standard gauge locomotives scale out to 1:26 or 1:27, and clearly Piko has positioned themselves as similar to LGB in practice.

It not saying it is similar... it is saying that they have picked a scale for standard gauge that matches what LGB did.... in terms of what is the right scale for the track, well standard gauge in Europe is 1,450 or 1,458 mm, right?

So the correct scale for 45 mm track should be about 1:32...

or have I made a mistake?

Greg
 
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1:32 it is Greg.
Or more commonly, but probably incorrectly, called Gauge # 1.
 
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I really did not expect G scale to be all over the place like this. I may just go with the LGB Mikado to avoid the headache. It's a great lookin loco. I would be happy with either.
 
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Yes, it is indeed all over the place... When people in the US started buying LGB F7's for example, the locos were huge compared to the 1:29 and 1:32 passenger cars. A weird mess, I am sure someone can explain how LGB got to 1:26/27 scale....

Greg
 
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I really did not expect G scale to be all over the place like this. I may just go with the LGB Mikado to avoid the headache. It's a great lookin loco. I would be happy with either.
LGB invented 'all over the place' in more ways than one. Much of their European meter gauge stuff is reasonably correct in scale, perhaps proportionally different in some ways to make a more convenient model which looks good with all of their range. Standard gauge models in this hobby are mostly out scale wise unless being a puritan in 1:32 which is correct and mainly collectible brass. If you like USA standard gauge models, the bulk of it is in or near 1:29 from AristoCraft and USA Trains. Ranges like AristoCraft Classics which are 1:24 of narrow gauge prototypes can also look good with 1:29 standard gauge too if not too fussy about their prototypical gauge origins.