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Yes, Acetal is Machineable Nylon and it was done for me on a lathe by a precision engineer.
I think your plan is great and looks so much better than what PM did originally. I think they used a long connecting rod to hide the fact that the loco had no coupling rods! This also saved them the cost of quartering the wheels too!
I found some plastic tacks of some sort in the garage(I don't remember what they are from or for), and I thought the size seemed almost right to make some pins to hold the RC rod to the SM:
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The PM pin pictured there is for RC wheels so it's shaft is wider than that of the SM pin, I was trying to match the tacks head to it for the RC rod, by trimming with cutters, and then sanding it in a drill:

The fit seems ok:

I borrowed the gold pin from my 4017 to connect the other rod:

I'm still working on attaching the sliding end at the front:

When I made a parts order at PM DS, they mistakenly sent me one of these hollow pins instead of what I ordered:

I have no idea what part number it is or what set it's from, but with some modification, I think it might be the perfect solution. If anybody could tell me the part number I would really appreciate it <nudges playmofire>;), because I need to order one more. It seems to fit perfectly in the larger RC rod hole and I could stick a different kind of solid pin into it with the head of the solid pin on the other side of the slide slot.

James this this link you sent me on quartering was very informative: http://modelengineeringwebsite.com/Wheel_quartering.html I'm hoping my wheels are quartered enough by default for the RC rods. if they are close enough, do you think they start on the correct side?:
 
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James this this link you sent me on quartering was very informative: http://modelengineeringwebsite.com/Wheel_quartering.html I'm hoping my wheels are quartered enough by default for the RC rods. if they are close enough, do you think they start on the correct side?:
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Brian,

Yes and no..... As the connecting rods are purely cosmetic and not deivering any thrust to the wheels, my own view is that it does not matter how much they are quartered or which side leads.... as long as everything is free moving

BUT

Both wheel and axle sets will need to be the same on both sides, or they will bind and jam up and eventually break.

As you have a loco where the axle sets are already close, then just removing one wheel on one side and resetting it to match the other axle set will suffice.

If you support the wheel you are removing, by a slotted metal plate over a vice you can use a flat punch and a small hammer to push the axle out.

Once out you will find that both the ale and the wheel itself will be splined. You need to move the wheel around until you find the combination of splines on the wheel and the axle to give you the nearest possible match to the other wheel/ale set, then push it on as far as it will go by hand.

Finally you need to use a vice to close the wheel set back up to get the wheels to gauge, ensuring that they are true and square. You may need metal plates on either side of the vice to support the whole of the wheels surface and keep them square as they go on.

If it is any consolation, it is much easier to do this and get it right in G Scale than on a steam loco in HO!

Good luck,
James
 
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I found some plastic tacks of some sort in the garage(I don't remember what they are from or for), and I thought the size seemed almost right to make some pins to hold the RC rod to the SM:
View attachment 243745 (click images to enlarge)
The PM pin pictured there is for RC wheels so it's shaft is wider than that of the SM pin, I was trying to match the tacks head to it for the RC rod, by trimming with cutters, and then sanding it in a drill:
View attachment 243746
The fit seems ok:
View attachment 243747
I borrowed the gold pin from my 4017 to connect the other rod:
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I'm still working on attaching the sliding end at the front:
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When I made a parts order at PM DS, they mistakenly sent me one of these hollow pins instead of what I ordered:
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I have no idea what part number it is or what set it's from, but with some modification, I think it might be the perfect solution. If anybody could tell me the part number I would really appreciate it <nudges playmofire>;), because I need to order one more. It seems to fit perfectly in the larger RC rod hole and I could stick a different kind of solid pin into it with the head of the solid pin on the other side of the slide slot.

James this this link you sent me on quartering was very informative: http://modelengineeringwebsite.com/Wheel_quartering.html I'm hoping my wheels are quartered enough by default for the RC rods. if they are close enough, do you think they start on the correct side?:
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I think it may be a rotor pin from a helicopter after searching on playmoDB. Try ordering using the part number you used originally; hopefully, it should return the same result. Meanwhile, I'll think further on what it might be.
 
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I think it may be a rotor pin from a helicopter after searching on playmoDB. Try ordering using the part number you used originally; hopefully, it should return the same result. Meanwhile, I'll think further on what it might be.
The mix up may have been related to either 30219950 or 30248473, as both of those were missing and listed as shipped, though they are different colors. However I also ordered 8 of these: 30200740 and received all 8 plus the other pin, and they look very similar, so they may have got the quantity wrong and happened to have this pin in the wrong bin. My first guess was that it's an axle pin for a wagon or something, but I can't find one that matches. I tried looking at rotor pins but couldn't find a match there either. Thanks for the effort.
 
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You might also want to check Piko they use something very similar for their connecting rods
 
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So as I was in the garage looking for ideas, and found some plastic wall anchor/plugs which function well in place of the gold 4017 pins to connect two RC rods together. I just had to clip it in half to remove the excess length with diagonal cutters and it's a perfect fit:
(click images to enlarge)

I was also able to use the same kind of wall anchor (though cut a bit shorter) for the slider, since I could fit a plastic screw snuggly through the center of it from the behind( I know a black plastic screw would have been better than a white one, maybe I will color it with a marker or something later if I can't find a black one.):

I did have to stabilize part of the black wall anchor on the side of the rod facing the red slot with a soft ring cut from the padding of a ballpoint pen, since it needs to be a snug fit to keep the screw side from jamming in the slot after it is pulled almost out every revolution.
But even with the imperfect quartering, Everything is function perfectly. It did several loops on the track with no problems.
However, if I don't have the pins secured just right, the imperfect quartering can become a problem.
The wall anchor seems a better fit than the mystery part I was asking about in an earlier post.
 
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So as I was in the garage looking for ideas, and found some plastic wall anchor/plugs which function well in place of the gold 4017 pins to connect two RC rods together. I just had to clip it in half to remove the excess length with diagonal cutters and it's a perfect fit:
View attachment 243768 (click images to enlarge)

I was also able to use the same kind of wall anchor (though cut a bit shorter) for the slider, since I could fit a plastic screw snuggly through the center of it from the behind( I know a black plastic screw would have been better than a white one, maybe I will color it with a marker or something later if I can't find a black one.):
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I did have to stabilize part of the black wall anchor on the side of the rod facing the red slot with a soft ring cut from the padding of a ballpoint pen, since it needs to be a snug fit to keep the screw side from jamming in the slot after it is pulled almost out every revolution.
But even with the imperfect quartering, Everything is function perfectly. It did several loops on the track with no problems.
However, if I don't have the pins secured just right, the imperfect quartering can become a problem.
The wall anchor seems a better fit than the mystery part I was asking about in an earlier post.
A problem neatly solved.
 
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So as I was in the garage looking for ideas, and found some plastic wall anchor/plugs which function well in place of the gold 4017 pins to connect two RC rods together. I just had to clip it in half to remove the excess length with diagonal cutters and it's a perfect fit:
View attachment 243768 (click images to enlarge)

I was also able to use the same kind of wall anchor (though cut a bit shorter) for the slider, since I could fit a plastic screw snuggly through the center of it from the behind( I know a black plastic screw would have been better than a white one, maybe I will color it with a marker or something later if I can't find a black one.):
View attachment 243769
I did have to stabilize part of the black wall anchor on the side of the rod facing the red slot with a soft ring cut from the padding of a ballpoint pen, since it needs to be a snug fit to keep the screw side from jamming in the slot after it is pulled almost out every revolution.
But even with the imperfect quartering, Everything is function perfectly. It did several loops on the track with no problems.
However, if I don't have the pins secured just right, the imperfect quartering can become a problem.
The wall anchor seems a better fit than the mystery part I was asking about in an earlier post.
If both main wheels on the SM are powered directly from the track, then there is no quartering problem.
 
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To an undiscerning eye, everything seem to be Playmobil parts...
 
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I have some extra wheel sets, and since I don't have an extra frame, I'm contemplating sticking something on top of them. I wonder if these options seem too inappropriate:
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Yes, the stage coach is quite prototypical. Here's a supporting link for the USA

Rail Cars - The Transcontinental Railroad

and one for the UK (scroll down to the third picture.

Also, certainly in the UK, rich folk such as local landowners would simply have a flat truck of their own onto which their coach would be loaded at the station for the journey and unloaded at the other end; those travelling in the coach would transfer to a railway carriage (again, possibly their own) for the train journey.
 
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Very interesting...

To enrich the discussion, I would like to add that "US wagons" from Playmobil have vertical timber floor boards
Don't use all your extra wheels, you will find extra frame
 
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Don't use all your extra wheels, you will find extra frame
With a few broken bits, the stage coach is expendable. I can retire it if I find a frame. But connecting the wheel sets to the stage coach might be tricky.

When you say "US wagons", do you mean this?:
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Playmofire, I did not see the one for the UK.
 
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Sorry Brian,

I meant these vans...
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the stage coach is interesting
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source : acmacm de Tribune Auto "pour qui aime les FoMoCo..."
 
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Xav, I see what you mean; since the sheriffs office has horizontal timber.

From those pictures, it seems like the newer stage coaches(3803, 7946, 4399, 6429) would be more appropriate than the old one.

They seem very wiggly in film: