Piko BR 50 dissappearing coal

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I've just watched this new video from Piko show casing their digital BR50, what was new to me was the coal level reducing in the tender as you run the loco, requiring you to stop and refill the coal. Is this a gimmick to far or a new addition that people will use , I've never heard of it before but no doubt someone will say its a common add on you idiot. The feature is described at 3:20, I like the loco but doubt i'd use this feature often

 
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dunnyrail

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So far as I am aware it is a first, but another addition to the people that like to run a Railway like a real one. Dropping off the train to go to shed to top up coal that the real things gave to do, so why not our models? Mire of a useful feature than DCC Station Calls that are only for ine train and ine set if destinations, quite useless really and soon gets tiring.
 
Rhinochugger

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Despite all the hot air he's talking, it doesn't seem to be using that much coal :devil: :devil:
 
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What a bizarre thing to include on a model. It has to be remembered that a steam loco can travel several hundred miles on a tender full of coal. Here in the UK we used to have steam locos that would travel from London to Edinburgh, a distance of 400 miles, on a single tender of coal with no refuelling stop along the way and with a journey time of about 8 hours. The model seems to be using several factors of ten more than that.

If Pico had wanted to introduce a neat feature, why didn't they rig the sound system so that it gives a consistent four chuffs per driving wheel revolution, and not the seemingly random number the model seems to generate.
 
Rhinochugger

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If Pico had wanted to introduce a neat feature, why didn't they rig the sound system so that it gives a consistent four chuffs per driving wheel revolution, and not the seemingly random number the model seems to generate.
When it comes down to it, Bachmann's mechanical chuff switch gives a much more reliable method of synchronised chuffs :wasntme::wasntme:
 
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Sounds like Piko is trying to bring Märklin's "World of Operation" with consumable fuel, water, sand, etc. to large scale and taking it a step further.
 
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What a bizarre thing to include on a model. It has to be remembered that a steam loco can travel several hundred miles on a tender full of coal. Here in the UK we used to have steam locos that would travel from London to Edinburgh, a distance of 400 miles, on a single tender of coal with no refuelling stop along the way and with a journey time of about 8 hours. The model seems to be using several factors of ten more than that.

If Pico had wanted to introduce a neat feature, why didn't they rig the sound system so that it gives a consistent four chuffs per driving wheel revolution, and not the seemingly random number the model seems to generate.
Not sure how many miles a 50 would do on a load of coal, perhaps someone monitored a narrow gauge loco that would of course do may less miles. All down to tonnage, distance and time engine in steam. In the older days on the Selktalbahn there was a Coal Wagon at Alexisbad where drivers used to top up with coal somewhat half way through their daily turn of duty on 99 6001 or one of the Mallets.
 
65 1057

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Concerning coal consumption:

With the right coal (not the GDR-Lignite) and a class 50 with a modern DR boiler equipped with pre-heater and burning chamber,
one coal load is more than enough for 4 round trips around Berlin, from and back to Basdorf ca. 350 km.
Water in the tender is the limit, especially when you heat a long train with steam...

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My late father-in-law ended up as a driver at Norwich. Before he was passed out from fireman he said he could shovel around 7 tons on a run from Norwich to Liverpool Street back in the 40s and 50s.
 
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I think I would pass out after shovelling 7 tons of coal :)
 
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My late father-in-law ended up as a driver at Norwich. Before he was passed out from fireman he said he could shovel around 7 tons on a run from Norwich to Liverpool Street back in the 40s and 50s.
And people wonder why some old railway men didn't mourn the end of steam.
 
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I'm doing my bit for global warming - my BR50 doesn't use any coal at all. The tender is just as full as when I bought it.
 
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If you use M&Ms in a model tender for coal, they tend to gradually disappear too. :)
 
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I guess the effect has to be at an increased rate? - How many of us run our trains for anything-like a prototypical distance, at any one time?
 
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London to Edinburgh, a distance of 400 miles would only be about 12 miles in the back yard. :nerd:
I think I need a bigger back yard!
 
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Lionel has an "O" gauge steam loco with the disappearing coal feature. I'll have to look up which one it is.
 
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I have vague memories of a Hornby OO DCC digital feature which monitored the fuel usage (coal or diesel) in a loco and alerted you when fuel was low. Only worked with Hornby decoders and their Elite command station. I can't remember if the info was stored in the command station or in the decoder, most likely the former. I don't know anyone who ever used it.